Wine Tuesday Discussion Topic

[revid]

Who else on the ol' flist is really feeling depressed about the serious lack of Green Day news?

Show of hands, please.

That's what I thought.

I know we've had a rash of Billie sightings (and one really excellent interview) of late, and I'm plenty grateful for that, and it's always sweet to see Mike with a guitar (and glasses! glasses! BE STILL MY BEATING HEART!), even if it is in Europe, and god only knows where that whacky drummer has been (aside from a tattoo parlor apparently), but

{Billie} OR {Mike} OR {Tré} ≠ {Green Day}

At least I have my LJ friends to talk with about Green Day to help to ease the pain. So let's have a little meeting of the LJ Green Day Appreciation Society. Here's a topic I've been thinking about for a while, and I thought I'd throw it out for discussion.

What do you think the set list will look like on the next tour? (Let us not dwell on the fact that the time frame for this is looking more and more like 2009.)

What songs do you think will definitely be on the list? Which song would you die to hear them play, even though you know it will never happen? Obviously, we can't anticpate the new material, but it's a fair assumption that probably 1/3 of the set list will be from the new CD. Which song would you be happy never to hear live again?



Here's what I think:

Opening song will probably be new, but they could stick with "American Idiot." From AI, they'll probably keep BOBD because it was such a monster hit (although honestly, I wouldn't miss it a bit.) I can also see "AWTW/St. Jimmy," just because Billie clearly loved dropping the guitar and prancing around on stage like the lovable little attention whore that he is. "Holiday" would be my dream selection. I bet the occasionally lucky audience might get treated to "JOS" or "Homecoming" just because the mood strikes them, but it won't be a regular part of the set list.

Going backward through the catalog, "Minority" will probably be the only representative off Warning. "Waiting" or "Macy's Day Parade" would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breath.

"Good Riddance" isn't going anywhere. That will still be the final show closer with Billie solo. I have mixed feelings about "Hitchin' A Ride." I like watching Billie stroke himself as much as the next girl, but it's getting kind of long in the tooth. Same with "King For a Day/Shout" and especially "Knowledge." The song I like, but the whole "Who can play guitar?" thing is due for retirement. I fast forward through that on all my DVDs. I think it'd be neat if they put in "The Grouch" or "Prosthetic Head," although my secret wish would be "Redundant."

Also on my list of songs I never need to hear live again is "Brain Stew/Jaded." If you need to play a hit from Insomniac I'd rather hear GSB or "Walking Contradiction."

The Dookie era songs are harder to choose. "Basket Case" and "Longview" will be on the set list when they're playing in wheel chairs. I'd like them to put "When I Come Around" back in the rotation. I wouldn't miss "Welcome to Paradise" very much. (HA! Of course WTP live comes onto my iTunes just as I'm typing that!)

I would be ecstatic if they threw "Christie Road" back in on a regular basis. The AI tour setlist did not contain a single track from Kerplunk, which is a crying shame and just plain wrong. "2000 LYA" would get thrown in once in a while on the last tour, so maybe they'll put that in.

It seems the boys have pretty much forgotten how to play everything off 1039/SOSH, but for many years their opening song was "Going to Pasalaqua," and it's definitely worth pulling out of the vault again in my opinion.

So I can think of about 15 songs or so that they should absolutely play, and that doesn't include the new material, or any covers. I'd be up for a three hour show.

What do you think?



And The Living End should totally be their opening band.

Comments

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

Hmm, well they did play Going to Pasalacqua on the Comp'd thing, so they still know HOW. I'd dearly love to see some older stuff come back into rotation, too. (Hell, I'd've loved to see 2000LYA - alas, they started with that the week *after* the 2nd concert I attended. *eyeroll*)

I gotta disagree on one point: I think they'll keep JoS on the setlist. If only because they all seemed to feel really strongly about it, moreso than about the other songs on the album. I think Holiday's in- or exclusion will depend on if it still seems topical by the time they tour (i.e., if they went onstage *now*, I think it'd be in there).

Like Good Riddance & BoBD, Knowledge isn't going anywhere, either. They've been doing that for YEARS. And while I tend to find it on the boring side myself, I actually hope they never stop doing it. I think the conceptual underpinning is more important than the entertainment value for those ten minutes.

*cough* I can't say the same for the faux masturbation, though I'd miss it. I'd miss hearing the song more, though, if it were taken out of the setlist. If Billie decides *not* to continue playing with himself mid-concert, I suspect the song *will* be removed, just to avoid creating expectation that he doesn't intend to fulfil.

I'd like to hear When I Come Around live - once, anyway! Maybe I would stop disliking it so much, lol.

Aaaand the one I'd kill to hear live but never will: Panic Song. :D

*is html-impaired*

[revid.livejournal.com]

You don't like WICA? I like it so much better than WTP.

I agree that Hitchin' won't happen WITHOUT the Billie self-lovin'.

Personally, I would love to hear JOS live again, but maybe it will end up in the encore. They've got to leave room for the new material.

I wonder if Billie will play piano on any of the new songs live. Wouldn't that be a trip?

[sick-of-me03.livejournal.com]

Glad to see this is just getting under way! ;)

I'll do what you did and pick a few songs from each album, going in decending order:

American Idiot:I absolutely agree about Are We The Waiting/Saint Jimmy still being included. Aside from Billie just going batshit when he performs that song, it's an obvious favorite of his. I actually remember when GD was promoting Bullet in a Bible and Mike made the comment that they would still be rehearshing it because Billie just loves it so much (I'm paraphrasing, of course).

I would love to hear Whatsername a little more but I wonder if it would make sense out of context with the album. And I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I never was all that into JoS *ducks*. Every time I hear that song, it just brings me down. Not in a depressed way either, its just so heavy and continous but, at the same time, I *love* Homecoming. Maybe because of the story behind the song, but I would rather hear that than JoS.

-Give Me Novacaine
-Holiday
-American Idiot

Warning: I could stand to hear Hold On. Its my favorite song off the record, after Waiting.

nimrod.: Dude, can we please get Take Back?! Am I the only one who loves the sexy Billie growl that's in the song? And like you said, Good Riddance isn't going anywhere just because its the one song everyone knows. Even if you don't know who sings it, you know it. It's a staple. And I really adore Redundant. I think Scattered is a great song that doesn't get touched enough either.

I love Hitchin' A Ride too much to see it go. Aside from the jacking off that goes with it, its a really great live song and I just can't imagine a setlist with out it.

Insomniac and Dookie are gonna be hard for me so I gotta listen to the CDs then come back to make a proper comment. :p

And the Living End should totally open for them. *hint hint nudge nudge Oakland trio*

[leighrowena.livejournal.com]

I agree with most of what has been said so far about the AI representations: JoS, Holiday, BOBD, and AI would stay in the setlist. I'd love to see AWTW/St. Jimmy, but I think it would take a back seat to JoS if they had to choose. BOBD is possibly their biggest hit of all time, so it's an encore piece from this day forward, for sure.

I would not want to see She taken out of the setlist as a Dookie representative because it's my favorite Green Day song of all time, and it makes my whole life to know they love it enough to put it in a contemporary setlist, despite the fact that it was never a single. I am a fan of Welcome to Paradise, so I'd take that as an addition; FOD would be pretty rad to see live again.

I am so not into Brain Stew/Jaded it's ridiculous, so replacing it with Walking Contradiction or, even better, 86, would work for me. Christie Road or 2000 LYA are your best bets for Kerplunk, unless Billie really listens to all the fans who requested Holden Caulfield on the tour. ;)

And I would sell my soul for a little At the Library. A girl can dream, can't she?

[indie-wonka.livejournal.com]

Three hour show sounds about right. :) I'd really like to see Tre do "Dominated Love Slave" or "All By Myself" live.

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

Oooo ooo they played HC at Comp'd too, so they know how to play that one still, too! :D

I'm with everyone in ditching BS/Jaded in favour of ANYTHING else off Insomniac.

[thirdbeatred.livejournal.com]

I don't really have time to answer this in depth, but I also would be up for a 3 hour (or more!) concert! I bet they have it in them!

Songs I will always want in the setlist: "Whatsername" and "Coming Clean". I tend to appreciate the non-hit/underappreciated songs the best.

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

You know, WICA is one of the few songs that I can say radio completely ruined for me. It STILL gives me overplay twinges and I almost always skip over it if I listen to Dookie. Which I don't all that often anyway as it's *gasp!* my least favourite album. I suspect that hearing WICA live would be able to overcome that, as that's been my experience with other songs/bands, but otherwise yeah, don't like it much.

I wonder if Billie will play piano on any of the new songs live.

Oh God, Mary, I'd need to bring extra underwear if he did that. LOL

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

I'd rather hear Homecoming than JoS live too, for the sheer trio-ness of it as well as the different type of emotional intensity. Okay, and also because I never GOT to hear it live in the first place! ;D

[mikeyface.livejournal.com]

I think that you and I share a brain! I too am not a big fan of BOBD (I love it, sure, but wouldn't miss it.) And actually Brain Stew/Jaded might be the only GD song I truly don't like! I skip it every single time I listen to the cd. When I hear the opening chords, I'm always like "Oh..EW!" Lol. I'm not even sure why that song irritates me so much. :p


I'd absolutely love to hear something like "Waiting" or "The Grouch" Hell yeah! And as much as I love H.A.R (or rather, the events that take place during the song) I don't think I'd miss that if Billie would replace it with something better. I'd be all for a theatrical production of Holiday, complete with Tré in drag! ;)


(The edit button is pretty nifty isn't it? ;) )

[revid.livejournal.com]

I'd vote for "Homecoming" over JOS too. Instead of "Take Back" I'd choose "Platypus" for Billie to let his inner St. Jimmy out. :-)

Insomniac is my least favorite Green day album, but "Walking Contradiction" is one of my favorite GD songs. (And probably my favorite video. Take that Sam!)

I knew you'd back me on the TLE suggestion!

[revid.livejournal.com]

They used to do "Paper Lanterns" (most famously at Woodstock, natch), but ATL would be a good choice from 1039.

I'm glad to see I'm not alone on the BS/J selection.

It was really hard for me to leave "She" off my list. "J.A.R." would rock my world, but that's a special occasion song. What I wouldn't give to hear Mike sing it though!

[revid.livejournal.com]

He did both at the show I saw in Fresno. They also did J.A.R. that night too. I feel like a very lucky girl.

I don't think we'd hear much bitching about a 3 hour show. :-)

[revid.livejournal.com]

That was the best thing about the Comp'd show: HC AND Christie Road! Great choices.

[revid.livejournal.com]

Seriously...they could do 3 hours without playing a single hit, and it would still be a great show. "Letterbomb" for example, would be a great AI song.

[revid.livejournal.com]

(It's about time LJ allowed comment editing!)

I think they're still too serious about "Holiday" to camp it up. But they could find some song other than KFaD/Shout to be goofballs on. Just for something different. Billie's gotten used to having a few songs where he doesn't have mess with the guitar and can just let his inner showman come out.

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

Also, I forgot to mention that I completely agree that TLE should open. :D

[thelackey.livejournal.com]

*rolls up sleeves*

Three hour show? Oh, I would totally sign that petition. ;)

I guess I'm going to be the lone voice that says to keep Brain Stew/Jaded. I love those two songs, man.

Besides the obvious 'hits' that they'll play, these are what I'd like to hear...

:: The Saints are Coming (just to hear how they'd play it without U2).
:: Give Me Novacaine
:: Letterbomb
:: When I Come Around
:: The Grouch
:: Scattered
:: Platypus (Angry!Billie....oh yeah)
:: Paper Lanterns
:: Blood, Sex & Booze
:: Castaway
:: Misery
:: Deadbeat Holiday
:: Waiting
:: I Was There
:: Road to Acceptance
:: Rest
:: The Judge's Daughter
:: Christie Road
:: J.A.R.
:: Stuck With Me
:: Panic Song
:: Walking Contradiction
:: Nice Guys Finish Last
:: Rotting

Yeah, 3 hours definitely. :)

[revid.livejournal.com]

Another Warning fan, I see. :-)

I heard that they tried to play "Misery" at the Comp'd show, but it was such a disaster that the tape never saw the light of day.

That's a four hour set you've got there, and that doesn't include the new material.

I like it.

[thelackey.livejournal.com]

That's a shame. I'd love to see them do Misery. It's definitely one of my top songs. :)

Three hour, 4 hour....whatever it takes, man. We know they have the stamina. *nods*

[and-ed.livejournal.com]

Woohoo! I’ve been looking forward to this! =)

Okay, so what I don’t think we’ll hear is JoS or Homecoming, except maybe as a special sort of thing because honestly, much as I LOVE those two songs, I don’t think they stand alone without the rest of AI. And I also can do without Knowledge. The Build a Band segment has had its day. Likewise, King for a Day, though I love it. HaR? Well…much as I love that bit of performance art, too, I think that’s done, too. I think they should try something new in the exhibitionist/sex-on-stage realm, though. Maybe Billie could shove his hand down Mike’s pants instead of his own! ;)

What I would love to hear…I’ll go album by album…

Going to Pasalcqua…yes, please! I love that one live because I can’t listen to it on the cd – in fact, I rarely listen to 39/Smooth at all because the drumming just screams out THIS IS NOT TRE to me. But I do love that song. =)

Kerplunk… Who Wrote Holden Caulfield remains one of my all time faves. And as people have pointed out…they did do that one at Comp’d so they still know how. =) I’m also not averse to 2000 Light Years and Christie Road is always okay with me.

Dookie…well, Basketcase is always and forever my number one GD tune so I’d be crossing my fingers for that one. And I would vote for Longview as well because of the Dirnt factor. She remains a fave for me as well.

Insomniac…we seem to be all on the same page here in longing for Walking Contradiction. I could skip Brainstew/Jaded, personally. I’d love to hear 86 after all these years.

Nimrod…Scattered!!!! I think that Good Riddance will remain a standard. I’d also love to see them do The Grouch.

Warning…Waiting!!!!!! Pretty please. And I think Minority will stay. Its such an awesome live song.

I’d also love to see them do JAR more…and personally, Ha Ha You’re Dead would be awesome to see them do live.

American Idiot…well, AI, obviously. I think they would likely do Holiday, too…and possibly the ballads though honestly, though I like the songs, I could live without BoBD or WMUWSE. How much of AI they do will depend, I think, on what the next album is like, on whether they’d be trying to distance themselves from American Idiot a bit – whatever they release is gonna be SO in the shadow of that monster hit – or whether they feel like AI kinda flows into the next one. If they do more from AI, I’d love to see Letterbomb, personally.

And other stuff? I think a cool cover or two would be awesome, though no suggestions immediately come to mind. I do NOT long for Billie playing the piano, for the record, though I might be in the minority there. I DO need for Tre to do something out from behind his kit…whether its ABM or DLS or some new perverted Tre tune. And…here’s the biggie for me…please please please, whatever else happens…and seriously, this might just be my absolute number one request, before Basketcase, even…I would KILL to hear Mike sing lead on…something…anything. And then they need to just show me that awesome stage energy of theirs, play off each other, ad lib some silly stuff, throw in some random jokes and ‘the man I like to shower naked with’ innuendo and general brotherly schmoop. =)

Most of all, though…they just need to come back!!!! *nods*

[thelackey.livejournal.com]

Most of all, though…they just need to come back!!!!

Amen.

[revid.livejournal.com]

Based on your first paragraph, it appears we have a Vulcan Mind Meld going on!

Maybe Billie could shove his hand down Mike’s pants instead of his own!
Yep, definitely a Mild Meld.

…I would KILL to hear Mike sing lead on…something…anything.
J.A.R. man, J.A.R.

I think you make an excellent point about how the tenor of the next CD will affect what and how much of AI will be played. I'm so excited to hear the new stuff. We'll have to repeat this discussion after we've had a chance to listen and digest and analyze it.

Schmoop, silliness, sex, and brotherly love...we need to see lots of it!

[girltufty.livejournal.com]

I would love to hear Church on Sunday live and Bloode Sex and Booze. And I can live without Brain Stew/Jaded. I skip them on BiaB.

[tasyfa.livejournal.com]

I heard that they tried to play "Misery" at the Comp'd show, but it was such a disaster that the tape never saw the light of day.

Really? Weird, b/c that's definitely one of the boatload of songs that they regularly rehearsed. I can't remember if it's actually FROM BiaB or if it's an outtake, but one of the videos on the IC where they were setting up the stage and stuff has a tiny bit of Misery in it before the fade to black.

[http://users.livejournal.com/oh_johnny_/]

Oh man - late to the party but wanting to play anyway :-)

Everyone's covered all the AI stuff I would say, but of their older stuff, I'd love to hear At the Library and Misery. I'm also inordinately fond of Castaway and One for the Razorbacks.

As for covering other people's stuff - I *love* listening to them do Blitzkrieg Bop.

And surely Working Class Hero would have to be included, right? Because then I could die happy and imagine Billie and John crawling naked all over each other.

Mainly though? I just want them to tour. I don't care what they sing. Hell, old Sinatra covers if they want. I've never seen them and next time around I'm going. No matter what. *nods*

[http://users.livejournal.com/oh_johnny_/]

So glad I'm not the only one who feels that way about Dookie.

[indie-wonka.livejournal.com]

They did J.A.R. at one of your shows? Lady, you are so lucky! Did Mike sing it?

[revid.livejournal.com]

"Church On Sunday" is a great song, but it's so personal it's a wonder Billie ever performed it live.

So many people love "Blood, Sex and Booze" and "Misery," but those are the 2 songs on Warning I skip the most often.

(I got my first postcard ever from the Greatest Country in the World today. Thanks honey!)

[revid.livejournal.com]

I just want them to tour. I don't care what they sing.

WORD WORD WORDY MCWORD!!!

They could tour playing twenty of my least favorite Green Day songs (there's an idea for another post...), and I would still gladly pay top dollar to see it over and over and over again.


Ooooh, "Razorbacks." Good choice.

[revid.livejournal.com]

I'm with you both. Actually Insomniac is my least favorite, with Dookie just above it.

[my-own-beat-now.livejournal.com]

*sigh* This whole discussion makes me very happy, yet very sad at the same time. But I will put that aside for the moment. *misses them*

Before I think at all of my song choices, I would like to suggest that our Boys take themselves to a Bruce Springsteen concert (I think you're also a fan?) My man Bruce routinely puts on a minimum 3+ hour show, and the dude is waaaayy into his 50s now. AND most importantly, he switches up his set list almost every night. If I could have one thing, and one thing only, it wouldn't be a specific song. It would be for the guys to loosen it up, and abandon the script. I would love to see them hang out every afternoon and shoot the shit, and pick a few special songs each night just because they want to play them. Not because the flashpots are choreographed and the lights are timed etc. I want a bit of sponteneity. I can't decide who makes the call on this - Green Day or some management guy somewhere. But I digress..... (wow, that kinda became a rant :)

I would probably sell my daughter if they would open the show with Going to Pasalaqua. That opening guitar feedback bit??? *dies* Love it so much....

From AI, I would love for them to keep St Jimmy because I agree - batshit crazy, crotch-thrusting Billie is good stuff. I don't know if they'll keep JOS. It's soooo long...realistically it takes the place of 2-3 other songs in the setlist. American Idiot, yes. BOBD - it'll probably be around forever. Letterbomb - please.

I think Minority is forever, it's such a crowd song. I would love for Waiting to make it, but really, love the album as I do, not alot on Waiting is really arena-friendly. It's more intimate.

I agree that some of the goofy stuff needs to change up - King for a Day stuff has been around for a while. And I'm torn on Hitchin - again, Billie's had his hand in his pants for so long, how do you not do it??? But really - it's also getting tired. Especially for the new "mature/middle-aged" Billie :) I would love to see Scattered added. I'd also like to see 86. I love Geek Stink Breath - it's an awesome live song, and another that Billie really gets into. I'd also love to see them add She to the set list. And for me, When I Come Around will always be the song that I loved first. And Christie Road - the Comp'd performance was so awesome, and I think Billie's voice is so much better/stronger these days, that I get goosebumps thinking what they could do with that song every night.

In general I guess, I would really like to see them play whatever they have to play from the new album (probably a third to half the show) and then mix up the other half with a rotating list of older stuff. This way, we all get awesome bootlegs! And hey - universe? I'd really like to see them this time 'round, if that's OK? *prostrates self at the shrine of Lord Billie*

[my-own-beat-now.livejournal.com]

I am such a total suck-up-fan - I'm not sure I have a least favourite album. Or even a song. Well....I've never really been sold on Misery. But that's really almost it.

[girltufty.livejournal.com]

I like to imagine hpw the video for BSAB would go!

[revid.livejournal.com]

You hit upon one thing that would be my biggest pet peeve about the last tour -- the lack of spontaneity. Not that it was completely absent; I heard JAR, and the LA folks heard Homecoming, but the script, down to all of Billie's stage patter, was pretty invariant.

I agree that the idea of a rotating set list would rock. We had a ton of great boots from the last tour, so hopefully the next tour will be the same!

[revid.livejournal.com]

"Ha Ha You're Dead" would be a great live song...lots of sing along potential.

I wonder if he still has The Shirt, I don't recall seeing it lately.

I most heartily second the call for a "Sick of the Studio 2008" Tour.

[feels-like-fire.livejournal.com]

Okay, so, I'm approximately 1000 years late to this party, but don't be TOO mad at me. *ducks*

Songs I'd Fuckin' Die To Hear Put Into Regular Rotation:

+ When I Come Around (I have totally heard this live, go me!)
+ Anything from "Warning:" in addition to "Minority," even though the chances of that happening are slim to none
+ Er... I'd be good with hearing something from Kerplunk!
+ I'd really, REALLY love to hear "Geek Stink Breath" live. IT's probably the one song that I really want to hear, honestly. Everything else, sure, I'd be happy to hear some different ones, but I'm not as picky as to WHICH ones, though "Walking Contradiction" would be awesome. Actually, just anything off "Insomniac" or "Nimrod" that they're not already playing. Lame, I know.

I would not be sad to see Hitchin' a Ride go, but I also wouldn't be sad if it stayed. I really never liked it till I heard it live, and that turned me onto it a lot. I am so beyond bored with them doing the exact same show every time, though. They are way talented enough to do a different set-list every time (I am also spoiled by Alkaline Trio, apparently).

At this point, though....I don't give much of a crap. I just want them to come back and play live again. Bastards.

[revid.livejournal.com]

At this point, though....I don't give much of a crap. I just want them to come back and play live again. Bastards.

Seems like a common thread here, doesn't it?

Also there seems to be a really strong consensus on the stuff we want to hear as well. Do you think they'll listen to us? If we say pretty please?

(New icon, just for you. *smooch*)